Monday, 28 November 2016

The Cambridges Join Memorial Service for the Duke of Westminster

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge joined several members of the Royal family to pay tribute to the sixth Duke of Westminster at a memorial service this afternoon.


Over 2,000 mourners were in attendance at Chester Cathedral including close friends, relatives, dignitaries and representatives from the numerous charities he supported.


The Duke, Gerald Grosvenor passed away due to a heart attack in August, aged 64. His wife Natalia is Prince William's godmother and he has served as something of a mentor to the future king. When it came to choosing Prince George's godparents, William and Kate chose his son Hugh Grosvenor. At just 25 he has now become the seventh Duke of Westminster. The Cambridges used the Duke's jet several times, most recently for their summer holiday with George and Charlotte in France.


Below, Hugh Grosvenor, the seventh Duke of Westminster with his sister Lady Viola Grosvenor.


And Hugh pictured with his mother Natalia (William's godmother).


More from the Telegraph's story:

'At the time of his death the landowner was worth around $10.8 billion (£8.65 billion) according to Forbes, making him the 68th richest person in the world, and third in the UK. He owned 190 acres in Belgravia, adjacent to Buckingham Palace and one of London's most expensive areas, as well as thousands of acres in Scotland and Spain. In 1973, when he was 22, he became trustee of the Grosvenor Estate and was forced to abandon his dream of a career as a professional soldier in his uncle's regiment, the 9th/12th Lancers. He instead signed up to the Territorial Army and in 1994 received an OBE for his work as a volunteer soldier. When his father Robert died in 1979, he became the sixth Duke of Westminster aged just 27.
He succeeded his father to become chairman of Grosvenor Holdings, the commercial arm of the Grosvenor Estate, and dedicated himself to using his wealth responsibly. The Westminster Foundation, which manages the estate's charitable giving, has donated to more than 1,500 charitable organisations since 1974, and the Duke was also president of the RNIB for 25 years and president of the St John Ambulance for 10 years.'

Below we see the the late Duke with his wife Natalia and daughter Viola at the requiem mass for Hugh van Cutsem in 2013.


The streets of the small cathedral city were lined with people wishing to pay tribute.


Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall arriving for the memorial. The Duke of Westminster was a dear friend and a confidante of his.


Princess Eugenie was also in attendance.


More on the history of Chester Cathedral: "The cathedral is a Grade I listed building, and part of a heritage site that also includes the former monastic buildings to the north, which are also listed Grade I. The cathedral, typical of English cathedrals in having been modified many times, dates from between 1093 and the early 16th century, although the site itself may have been used for Christian worship since Roman times. All the major styles of English medieval architecture, from Norman to Perpendicular, are represented in the present building. The cathedral and former monastic buildings were extensively restored during the 19th century (amidst some controversy), and a free-standing bell-tower was added in the 20th century. The buildings are a major tourist attraction in Chester. In addition to holding services for Christian worship, the cathedral is used as a venue for concerts and exhibitions."


A look at the Shrine of St Werburgh inside.


The Mail Online reported: "Prince William, Prince Harry and the Duchess of Cambridge are all regular visitors to the Grosvenor properties. Lady Tamara is married to Prince William's best friends, Edward van Cutsem, and William and Harry were both ushers at their wedding in 2004."


More on the service from the Chester Chronicle:

'Prince William read the Garter Prayer, part of the annual service for Knights of the Order of the Garter, with which the late Duke had been honoured.
Lady Edwina, the late Duke’s second daughter and a campaigner for prisoner reform and rehabilitation, delivered an emotional reading titled ‘A letter to my father’.
Grosvenor Estate has revealed an excerpt from the letter, which read:
“You taught me so much.
"Fight for what you believe in.
"Don’t ever give up.
"If you are knocked down, dust yourself off... and get back on your feet.”
Distinguished tenor Ian Bostridge CBE accompanied by Andrew Wyatt, assistant director of music at Chester Cathedral, performed Panis Angelicus by Cesar Franck. Readings were also given by the 7th Duke of Westminster, Hugh Grosvenor, who read his father’s favourite poem, If, by Rudyard Kipling, and Richard Lyttleton, cousin of the late Duke, who read Revelation 21: 1-7.'

A portion of Rudyard Kipling's 'If' - a beautiful poem which was the late Duke's favourite as mentioned above - a very fitting choice for his son to read today.


If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,   
    Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch, 
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, 
    If all men count with you, but none too much; 
If you can fill the unforgiving minute 
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,   
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,   
    And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son


William and Kate leaving the service.


Kate was attired in black for the service.


Kate's choice of coat will be familiar to many. The Duchess wore the black Alexander McQueen coat she debuted at Remembrance Sunday in 2015. It's lovely to see the piece in its entirety - it's a very chic garment.


The coat is believe to be a bespoke piece based on the similar Velvet Trim Double-Breasted Wool Coat. Below we see it at Lane Crawford where it retailed for $2,045. The heavyweight piece is described as "an utterly irresistible concoction of virgin wool and velvet, creating a dramatic standout look".
Lane Crawford

Kate wore a black dress underneath. Below, a look at the neckline.


The Duchess wore her new black John Boyd hat (with thanks to Anna) and accessorised with the Queen's pearl and diamond earrings.


It would appear these earrings are at Kate's disposal at the moment. The Duchess first wore them during the Canada tour. The amazing Anna noted: "The Countess of Wessex wore these only one time to a royal wedding in 2012 (while wearing other jewels on loan from the Queen). HM wore these back in 1977 during her silver jubilee." Below, we see Kate wearing them in the Netherlands last month.


Kate carried her Pretty Ballerinas /Mascaro black velvet clutch.


And completed the look with her black Gianvito Rossi pumps.

Gianvito Rossi

It seemed very appropriate for William and Kate to attend the service today. The Duke of Westminster was a great friend to the Royal family over the years and the huge turnout for his memorial is testament to the high esteem in which he was held. The Duchess looked very appropriate for the nature of the occasion too. For those asking, there is nothing announced for Kate's diary at present. Prince William has a few on his calendar, so I would be surprised if something isn't announced shortly. We'll update our 'Kate's Calendar' section on the sidebar the moment we hear of anything.

344 comments:

  1. Worth mentioning that the Duchess of Westminster is William's Godmother and the young 7th Duke is George's Godfather

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  2. Sixty four is too young.... :-( :-(

    Thrilled to see a full view of this beautiful coat. Really a lovely design and especially nice from the side as she walked. The hat and clutch go perfectly. Velvet is a nice way to add a richness to an outfit in a conservative, non ostentatious way.

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    1. Erika, I agree with your take on this outfit. Beautiful from head to toe.

      And 64 *is* young. Quite the reality check isn't it.

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    2. Big reality check, royalfan. Even with all our medical advances, one never knows.

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  3. Oh my, Eugenie's coat...what the heck? I love Kate's coat and it's nice to see a full length view of it.

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    1. I agree with you about Eugenie's coat, Pam! It looks huge on her. She's swimming in it. It's very poorly fitted. I also didn't like her purple hat with her navy coat!

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    2. Sometimes Sarah's genes are more evident......... :)

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    3. Eugénie looks uncomfortable in her samouraï coat. Can't even fold her arms.

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    4. That coat................

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  4. Thanks, Charlotte. Kate looked beautiful (and warm, thank heaven). William looked not warm. :) I love that hat on Kate. I liked Eugenie's hat but did not like her coat. I understand the fashion perspective on that but it did nothing for Eugenie. I do wish she and Beatrice would find a talented stylist or stylists.

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    1. Picky I know..... But I do so wish that William would wear a nice grey suit more often! A dark charcoal grey with a black coat would have been so handsome today! When I see his Blue Suit Uniform it reminds me of when my brothers & sons were newly in the work force & had only a few suits to rotate, so lots of repeats. Of all the men in the world who don't need to look like they have one suit, it's William! He lives in London, He surely has the $. I want to jump through the screen & take him out to have some lovely custom suits made pronto! lol :)

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    2. A grey suit would have been nice, especially since Kate wore black. They don't look coordinated at all, but maybe William had another event to attend. If so, much as I love Kate's whole look, perhaps she could have worn navy blue.

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  5. Am I the only one who thinks that the Duchess looks very pale in black?

    Although beautiful and very appropriate for the event...

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    1. I prefer her in strong colours, of which black is one of my favourites, rather than pastels.

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  6. I was hoping we would get to see this coat in its entirety one day so I was very excited when it popped up on Twitter this morning :)

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  7. Our Condolences to the family.

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    1. Yes, He seems to have been a wonderful & giving man!

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    2. Indeed. He seems to have touched many lives, and that is kind of all we can wish to get out of life after all!

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  8. I am so gutted! I work in Chester, a mere 2 minute walk from the cathedral and I missed the chance to see them. Its so annoying when earning a living gets in the way of royal watching :)

    Figgy

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    1. The Dowager's family is from Cheshire, and I have visited Chester several times, and every time I go into the cathedral I see something I hadn't noticed before. It's a magnificent building. I have a general idea of where you work!

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    3. I am gutted too - I live quite close to Chester and would have gone to see everyone if I'd have known. I saw a few local Twitter feeds noting that some royal guests left from (and returned to?) the Chester Grosvenor Hotel for the cathedral - http://www.chestergrosvenor.com/

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    4. Not to be trivial at the solemnity of your comments but "gutted" is another expression particular to the British.

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  9. What a stunning coat! I find these bespoke pieces an interesting insight into the Duchess' style, particularly in this instance as the additional velvet jazzes up the design a bit.

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  10. Sarah Maryland USA28 November 2016 at 19:32

    The new duke is the same age as me but he looks like he is 10 years younger.
    I'm not sure I like the bottom of Kate's coat. But I like her hair and hat and I'm glad she went with William today because I wasn't sure if she would actually go

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  11. Rudyard Kipling's 'If' was read by the new Dukes . A poem well worth reading. In our family it has been a generational inspiration growing up.

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    1. Thank you Alimai. It's such a beautiful poem, I'll add a portion of it to the post :)

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    2. Liked the poem by Rudyard Kipling.

      Peace to the parted. RIP

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    3. Charlotte,

      The link you gave is excellent, not only the entire poem, also a summery of the author's bio and collection is available.

      TY

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  12. Wow! She looks Every Inch The Duchess! :) I've noticed sometimes when others think her look is too old? I tend to think her look Sophisticated & Regal!:) I don't know if anyone will think her look today is older than her years? However in the past sometimes the aspects She has of Today's look have drawn such opinions. I just finally found The Words to express how Those looks strike me. I'm curious what others will think? I Just Looove Her Look Head to Toe! Speaking of Toes...... I've purchased a few Suede Pumps & Wow how I love them! They just seem to be more comfortable, Give an umf to my ensemble & I've received a flurry of compliments:) I know they are very instyle anyway, but Thx To Kate for the inspiration! :)

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    1. I'm one of those who often find Catherine's attire too aging. I don't think dressing sophisticated and regal equates to matronly. One can be royal and still look your age. So, yes I do find certain styles and hemlines, sleeves and hairdos more appropriate for a woman twenty years older than the Duchess. And I cringe when I read of people wanting her hair shorter or in an updo, or her hemlines longer or her clothes deemed too childlike, as a result of some notion of what is appropriate because of Title, rather than her age. No quibble with this coat however. It was age appropriate and fresh when she first wore it, as it is today. It has classic lines and funky details. And she looks beautiful.

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    2. I agree with you, Becca and Anon. Kate is dressed as who she is, rather than according to a number. She looks very beautiful and very elegant.

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    3. Julia from Leominster30 November 2016 at 12:38

      I agree with Becca. Kate should be all about her title and she is a thirty-five, almost thirty-six year old woman, not a twenty-year old. Other royal ladies of that age dress with a sense of their position. They are royal, they aren't celebrities obsessed with youth.
      I loved Kate's shorter hairstyle because it allowed her to wear it down, looked fresh and professional and perfectly young, kept her hands out of it (extremely important to Kate.) It made the engagement about her work far more - her new air cadets post, and mental health work - not about her fourth runner up beauty queen curls look.

      Royal ladies close to Kate's age aren't letting their hair fall in front of poppies and and royal necklaces. Victoria of Sweden wears her hair in a very severe style. I don't love it but respect it says - I'm a future queen, not an actress. Charlene of Monaco looks hugely sophisticated compared to Kate - it's not a look that I would choose for a British royal but it says she realises who she is and what she represents. Mary of Denmark wears her hair longer but it always looks polished and out of the way.
      Many royal ladies from Diana to Letizia have chosen serious suits to put the emphasis on their position. When Diana transitioned from her youthful ruffles (and she was a teenager) through a funky early twenties stage into tailored suits in her late twenties and thirties, it put the emphasis on what she was doing, without making her any less fashionable.
      Kate isn't a child or a uni student or a starlet. She is at an age where most professional women are looking to advance in their careers and rise to top positions. And anything she can do to forward that effect is positive in my eyes. I have never thought she dressed too old - I have thought, at her best, she dresses the part of a future queen, as she did in that lovely coat at the memorial.

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    4. "Kate should be all about her title.." Then Kate should be compared to women of like title,, if comparison is even necessary outside the BRF. Title is one parameter. Age another. Pick one. There are no other royal women in their 30's
      who are wives of the heir to the heir.
      Charlene is the spouse of the reigning prince.
      Mary is the consort of the heir to the throne. Maxima is Queen consort. Letizia is Queen consort. This has been pointed out numerous times by multiple commenters.
      None of these women is in her mid thirties, if you wish to cite age only.
      None match Kate's rank. None match her age. She has had to forge a niche for herself, while remaining at heart the woman Willam chose for the task.

      If you don't think ten years is a noticeable age difference , ask a few of your friends if they would mind being introduced as being ten years older.

      Catherine is progressively upping her game as the Queen increases Prince and Princess William's royal standing.Although HM has made available to Catherine items of jewellery of an unprecedented caliber, Kate knows her place and is more than up to the challenges of her future role.


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    5. 04:21, THANK YOU. That has been said before, more or less, but not as eloquently and clearly as you have said that today. You are right on. Will the critics listen? Uh, what do you think? But thanks for putting that out there so clearly.

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    6. Anon @ 04:21,
      I have read your comment more than once. It makes me happy.

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    7. PS Kate was born in 1982, same as William. She is 34 and will be 35 in January.

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    8. Julia from Leominster1 December 2016 at 19:23

      Ten years ago, Mary was the same age Kate is now and she got stuck in immediately. Those who are strong Kate fans here aren't at issue but many working women, aren't as patient. I would worry far less about critics who are monarchists than those who don't like the whole institution and are getting much more vocal. Loans are great but what counts is giving the public a sense of the youthful face of the royals, rather than reliving on Charles and the hugely unpopular Camilla. It's lovely to know your place until you suddenly discover you no longer have one.

      Think it couldn't happen? Look at all the things that have happened recently. I don't love playing Cassandra and I believe people do really want a monarchy but also want to believe they're getting their money's work with active engaged royals and not get caught up with technicalities of who is next to what.

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    9. False equivalency 421. It does not follow that "all about the title" means she can only be compared to her exact match. It doesn't mean that at all. It means she should wear her title well-- in appearance, attitude and deeds.

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    10. bluhare-that quote was followed by "...other royal ladies of that AGE DRESS with a sense of their POSITION." Clearly, talking about clothing, not attitude and deeds. Also, demonstrates a mixture of age and position. A combination unique with Kate among royal spouses.

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    11. Anon @ 04:21,
      And, she certainly does "wear her title well-- in appearance, attitude and deeds". And in my opinion how well she does that can only be calibrated by an equal match comparison like you said 04:21. Makes perfect sense to me. And Kate is fulfilling her title superbly all the way around.

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    12. Mary could get "stuck in immediately". She was the future Queen from the moment she said "I do". Plus, there is no "three in the marriage", "marry the third person in the marriage" scenario.

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    13. Julia,

      Many of "strong Kate fans here" are working women also Julia, not just ladies who lunch. As a working woman and strong Kate fan, I think Kate is fulfilling her role perfectly. My perception is that William and Kate are strengthening the monarchy and beautifully so, not putting it on the brink of destruction as you have said more than once.
      What is "getting their money's worth" exactly? Buckingham Palace says the cost to each Brit is about 59p a year. That doesn't even factor in the money the monarchy generates for tourism (and tourism is the third largest source of revenue in England), and other business segments, i.e. fashion, etc. George's birth alone generated $357+ million dollars in product sales and I am sure Charlotte's birth did the same. The Royal wedding generated millions and the display of Kate's wedding gown generated over $30+ million dollars. Doesn't sound like gloom and despair to me. Someone likes the monarchy, obviously. And that doesn't take into account all the monies and goodwill generated cumulatively by all the many, many charities and trust foundations supported and created through the monarchy's charitable endeavors. I think the monarchy is worth it's weight in gold and that doesn't even take into account the historical continuity enrichment. The monarchy and it's future is good hands with William and Kate.

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    14. I agree 17:54, although I think they are worth way more than their weight in gold. :)

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    15. wow 1754, simply, wow. Thanks. When I go to England my first touristy things will be to see the Royal stuff in London, then the beautiful countryside, historical pubs, particularly ones that William and Kate have visited, and every castle I can find. :) Even as an American, the RF plays a part in my life already everyday almost with this blog. I know almost more monarchy history than American history because of the RF. And inadvertently, I have even found that I have ancestors who came over from England about about five "greats" ago. Who'd have thunk? I think the British Monarchy will be alive and thriving for generations to come, keeping calm and carrying on.

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    16. Still a false equivalency. Try all you want, but what Julia said stands on its own. Nice try, though.

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    17. Julia from Leominster3 December 2016 at 14:37

      I very strongly support the monarchy and not because of tourism. To be honest, if the monarchy were abolished, I think tourism might dip for a time but then would return - as a new generation grew up to whom the monarchy was past history.
      I support the monarchy because of the sense of long history and heritage which to me is beyond value and because of current values it represents that I believe should represent the nation, a dedication to duty, and a commitment to helping those in need and difficulties and highlighting the best work done in the nation. The monarchy also strands, for the most part, separate from partisan politics.
      But, as an Anon below also mentioned, I've seen republicanism go from being unmentioned outside intellectual circles, to be spoken of openly to being almost fashionable. In the old days, we were all talking Diana. Now to discuss royals other than the queen can be tricky. Nothing will happen while the queen is alive. Afterwards, I think the coronation will give a honeymoon period (although many people are relying on Charles' supposed pledge not to have Camilla crowned. I may be cynical but I don't buy that.) After that, I suspect there could be a republican push. The argument is far more equality than expense although the two blend.
      Today, there is a sense of value for money - when William and Kate are working, there value for money is easy to appreciate. When they are seen as work-shy, the pendulum shifts. So I don't see William and Kate necessarily as ideal royals. As they age, their popularity is not going to grow unless they do an enormous amount more. Already, I see interest in the people not awfully excited about royalty fading and most crucially, interest by the young fading. I don't question that there are mothers here (I don't know any ladies that lunch, most women work now.) But the average young mother that I talk to seems to have little interest in Kate- Kate doesn't speak to her the way Diana spoke to my friends and me.
      Deference at every level of society is fading in this age - people talk as they never did. My feeling, which I know isn't popular here, is that you don't wait until there is a sudden crisis - maybe talk of a referendum, you make the monarchy today as strong as it possibly can be, you don't coast. I think the monarchy is holding on (especially due to the queen and her sense of duty) but I wouldn't say it's thriving. And with only three "active" royals below pensioner age, that means William and Kate should be out there a lot more than they are now and much more engaged with the country as a whole.

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  13. I don't like this outfit( I know that isn't what this is about of course) I didn't like the hat at the remeberance day service, the edges look like you can see glue, I'm sure that's not it,though! Maybe I would like this hat better if her hair was down? I'm not sur, I think I'm just not a fan of this hat! I don't like this coat at all, and I didn't love it at the previous service she wore it at either. Although I'm glad we get to see it in full! I think the coat would have been nicer with velvet trim at the collar and cuffs, that's it. I don't like the trim in the middle of the waist at all and the trim on the bottom of the coat,I think,would be nicer if it was a thinner trim, not so high up the coat. She is dressed nice for this somber event, just personal preference in the outfit of course :) I like her shoes, clutch and earrings though!

    Just a question about the late dukes wife. Why is she not called the duchess of Westminster? She is always referred to as Natalia. Just curious if she was titled a duchess or not! I'm assuming so but you just usually see her in writing, referred to using her first name.

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    1. Natalia Grosvenor, the widow of the late Duke, is the Duchess of Westminster (she will only become the Dowager Duchess upon the marriage of her son). I suspect she's referred to by her first name in the press since, like Kate, that is more recognizable but she is styled as the Duchess of Westminster.
      I think the antiquated tradition of only referring to women by their titles and never by their Christian names is falling away, thank goodness. There's also the issue of space in print publications and photo cutlines and shorter first names definitely take up less space than the lengthy titles.

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    2. Thank you for your reply Elizabeth :) that makes sense :)

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    3. Julia from Leominster30 November 2016 at 12:49

      Technically, dowager has nothing to do with whether the next peer is married, it speaks of being a widow, that is being "dowered". However, it is the custom now that dowager is not used until her son is married. Here's a quote from Debrett's.

      "Officially the widow of a peer is known as the Dowager Countess (or whatever) of X, unless there is already a dowager peeress of the family still living. In the latter event, the widow of the senior peer of the family retains the title of Dowager for life, and the widow of the junior peer in that family is known by her Christian name, e.g., Mary, Countess of X, until she becomes the senior widow. . . . When the present peer is unmarried, by custom the widow of the late peer continues to call herself as she did when her husband was living, i.e., without the prefix of (a) dowager, or (b) her Christian name. Should the present peer marry, it is usual for the widowed peeress to announce the style by which she wishes to be know in future."(113) This last bit is twentieth century, and Black's agrees: most widows don't use "dowager" at all anymore, and simply use the Mary, Countess of X option, announcing in the press the style they will be using."
      While a widow can also use her Christian name before her title, today that more often is seen when there is a divorce. For instance, The Princess of Wales versus Diana, Princess of Wales after her marriage ended.

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  14. Sounds like a lovely service. What a wonderful turn out of people. Would love to visit the Cathedral, it looks gorgeous. I like the hat. I like most of the coat but not the arm patches in velvet near the shoulder, like the velvet on the cuffs. Her shoes need to be replaced, very tired looking. ali

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  15. Oh Charlotte, Thank you for including the verse! It's Absolutely Beautiful! It gives one a real sense of The Duke The Man & of The New Duke His Son!

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    1. Did you memorize that poem when you were in school, Becca? We were required to do so when I was young.

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  16. Sympathies to the family and friends of the Duke. The coat Kate is wearing today is spectacular! She looks chic and beautiful and so appropriate for the somber occasion.

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  17. Nice post. The day after all was about the late Duke and his family, not about Kate.
    I'm not a fan of this coat and for the usual reason with McQueen - it absolutely swallows her up. The coat is so powerful and Kate is so thin and frail-looking that it just wears her. It almost looks like she's wearing a version of Charles's overcoat, with added velvet adornment!!
    I like the actual designer original version of this coat MUCH better than I like the bespoke version.
    I love that Kipling poem.
    I really love Camilla's whole look and her coat/dress combo. She looks elegant without looking dowdy.
    Beatrice's choice of coat is - unfortunate. She has some really good style moments and some really not so good ones, same as Kate.

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    1. I can't understand how one can look at Eugenie's coat with the excess fabric draped about the shoulders and call it "unfortunate," yet state Kate's exquisitely styled coat "swallows her up." What part of the coat has excess material or hangs loosely on her? I also don't understand the phrase "wears her" being applied to
      Kate's appearance.
      I suppose Camilla looks "elegant" if one considers opaque black tights elegant
      on a 60+ year old woman. The design on her coat reminds me of curtains on the stage of a 1930's theatre.
      Beauty is not just in the eye of the beholder-it is in the mind,heart,and spirit,
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      I only offered my critique of Camilla to illustrate the attitude one can project
      in merely giving an opinion.

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    2. I, too, am confused by the reference to the coat swallowing her up. The upper half is fitted and the bottom half is a flattering and feminine A-line style with sleeves that coordinate quite nicely. Why do I think that if Mary or Maxima wore this coat it would be seen as being "fresh and out of the box"? :)

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    3. Relax Anon 03.57

      You can't really expect everybody to share your enthusiasm about Kate and her fashion choices.

      Anyway,I preferred this coat till the waist, the whole look and the sleeves, length and the way she looks is not my favourite. I get what Elisabeth tried to say, it looks "big" on her, although it is not big, another bespoke, I suppose, but somehow, something is just not right.

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  18. Does anyone know the protocol with attire? Catherine was very appropriate in all black. Charles and William wore blue, Camilla wore grey and the Duke's daughter wore green. I would've thought black to be more dominant in the dress choices today.

    May the Duke rest in peace.

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    1. I think the family can get away with more color on these occasions than guests. Green might have a speicial significance for the daughter. Maybe it was her father's favorite color on her or something else along those lines.

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    2. This was a memorial and not a funeral so dark purples, greens, grays, neutrals etc are all appropriate unless otherwise stated. So black is just one of the options (although very clever of Kate so noone could see one picture of her without others in the background and say she was inappropriate for not wearing black)

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    3. While I don't know the protocol, I'm thinking the tradition of "you have to be in all black at a funeral/memorial" Is very outdated, and long gone away. It doesn't mean people won't dress in all black, like you see here, but it isn't mandatory as it was in the 50s. :) most people chose darker colors. Black,navy,grey etc. Except his daughter is in green, with red shoes. I wonder why. It looks like a Christmas outfit to me.

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    4. I thought it had to do with age. Not sure how old that daughter is.

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    5. IMO, all the colors were respectful. And I, too, thought that the green may have had a special significance. A favorite color...a touch of holidays added to a somber occasion for her father?

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    6. I agree royalfan. They are a family and the children are young but not kids so this memorial service will be important to all the kids in different ways. I suspect the dress was either a favorite of her Fathers or the color was, she also wore red shoes, maybe Christmas theme, again maybe Christmas was special for this family. I thought everyone looked lovely and and just right. I do wonder how the 25 year old son is coping with his responsibilities and frankly the headaches that go with being in charge of the pursestrings, hoping his Father knew to set up trusts for all the kids...

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    7. 06:04,
      His father trained him extensively for his future running the family estates. Since his father also inherited the family fortune it is very likely that there have been family trusts for generations. Their main family home, Eaton, is actually a town, part of their estate for generations. His father had suffered from depression for years because he had been unprepared when he inherited their estates. He did not want the same thing to happen to his son so he trained him in the family business of running their fortunes. The young Duke's mother has been integral in running the estates also. He was born and bred for the destiny he now has.

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    8. Julia from Leominster30 November 2016 at 13:09

      Usually, memorials are slightly more informal than funerals - but I always do expect to see royal ladies in black. I wonder if Camilla didn't choose her outfit because it was particularly warm. People like Beatrice and Eugenie that aren't as directly involved with royal duties, might dress more informally, although I didn't care for that coat. Kate looked perfect. I love the coat, now seeing it full length.

      The family, of course can wear what they wish.

      I'm sure the heir is prepared but it will still be a lot of responsibility for a young man in his mid-twenties. People here have often said William shouldn't have to be burdened when young and he is a decade older married man. (I don't agree with this, at this point, although I did until William was thirty.)

      I'm certain the Duchess will be a huge help. She has a tragic background herself with the loss of her family home due to business mismanagement and the death of her brother resulting from that in 1991- so I'm certain she is aware of the responsibilities. Luton Hoo was a gorgeous house and it is a shame what happened. (I visited the house before the loss, and it was filled with beautiful things.)

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  19. I agree with you about the coat. It's got a nice silluette, buy I do not like the details and the different textures. And I am not such a fan of the lenght either. But the overall picture was regal, elegant and appropriate.

    As far as I know Natalia is the Duchess of Westminster, I am nit sure why she is called by her first name. She will remain the Duchess until her son marries, when she will become the Dowager Duchess.

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  20. Thank you, Charlotte, for such a lovely, poignant post. I found the excerpt of Edwina's "letter to my father" and of the Kipling poem to be so moving. The late Duke of Westminster must have been charismatic and modest and kind all at once, a rare combination. How difficult for his family since he was only 64 years old.

    Kate's coat looks beautiful when you see it top to bottom. I wonder how she felt attending a sad and moving service like that... What she and William said to each other about it... Hopefully they will be able to provide support and guidance to the new Duke, as he's only 25.

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  21. Must have been a heavy day, especially for William. Nice to see that they were able to attend. And it must have been nice (wrong word) for William to be a part of the service like that.

    Feels odd to comment on the fashion so I will just say that he hat and hair seems more balanced today. (and nice that the Queens earrings are becoming a staple of Kates) A good, solid, solemn look!

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  22. How I appreciate that William knows how to wear a suit. His pants are always the perfect length. So many these days wear there pants too long, and it is so unbecoming. Very sharp, William. And Catherine - a vision of perfection, as usual.

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  23. I thought Kate looked elegant and appropriate. I love this coat and hat. Camilla looked very nice, too. I'm always a fan of pairing boots with a winter coat. Poor Bea.

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    1. Eugenie, not Beatrice. Saw someone make the same mistake up above :P

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    2. The mistake randomly popped into my head just now, so I came here to make the correction. Thank you! :)
      I have a soft spot for Eugenie, and I wince whenever I see a photo of her not dressed to her potential.

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    3. I thought it might be her Mum's coat, due to the size.
      I also think there is something likable and endearing about Eugenie. :+)

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    4. Kim it was not a good photograph of Eugenie, bad angle so nothing looks very good. I think for the most part less time and trouble is taken with minor royals. I think a good photograph might well alter opinion of the coat.

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    5. No offense Alimai,
      but I very much doubt that that coat could look good in any photograph. That coat is not even from Mars. That coat is from the asteroid Vesta. That coat is wrong for Eugenie's body type. A mistake she and her sister often make. I know the 50's and 69's and I know what they were attempting with that coat. That coat's purpose, if it has any at all, is a vogue fashion spread on a very thin, very stylized model. It is a vogue prop and not a real coat, in my opinion. The coat and the hat do not play together either. The girls seem to think they are Vogue models, high fashion dressers. The girls have needed a stylist since they were children.

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    6. P.S. I do like Eugenie. I just think, that like Anne, they could use some help in the fashion department.

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    7. Eugenie does not know how to dress for her body type. When, at the Royal Lodge in Windsor, she had the help of stylists for that awesome photo essay, I had to do a double take to make sure that was actually Eugenie. The stylists knew how to properly dress her body type, skin coloring and personality. Eugenie looked like Eugenie is supposed to look, being dressed properly for her body type, height, skin coloring and artistic flair. I was hoping she would have had a fashion epiphany at that time, but obviously she didn't.
      Really, to me, the only one who could even come close to perhaps successfully pulling off that coat would have been Twiggy, back in the day, and even then, only maybe. I think Eugenie is an amazing person, especially given the environment she lives in. I would just love to see her dress in ways that enhance the beauty that she is.

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    8. That is a good point alimal.

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    9. 60's, lol. Spell check, urrg.

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    10. 17:59, I think that is an excellent point about the coat being a better fit (no pun intended here) for a runway model where a dramatic effect is the goal. Not the best choice for a young woman with curves. I like Eugenie and sometimes she looks lovely, but this was a poor choice for her shape IMO.

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    11. lol. Actually that coat does have a resemblance to the asteroid Vesta. No offense Vesta.

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    12. 18:55, I saw that photo spread on Eugenie at the Royal Lodge and 1.) I was amazed at the grandeur of her home. No wonder they call that The Royal Lodge. 2.) I studied the photos because I couldn't believe that was Eugenie at first either. 3.) I studied the style of clothes and make-up, and hairstyles they put her in just to kind of compare those with what she puts herself in and wow what a difference. She is beautiful and not fat or dumpy at all. Who knew? I was hoping while I read that that she would hire that team on a permanent personal retainer basis, not only for her but for her sister. Wouldn't that be amazing. Truly, that would enhance every aspect of their lives, and just by virtue of media impact, help the monarchy even more. If you are going to do photo ops, for philanthropy etc., why not do them right? Leave people with the feeling of "Yes!" instead of "Huh?".

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  24. I like her coat all except for the belled velvet cuffs on it - they would just be in the way constantly in my opinion. Also they make the sleeves look too long. But good choice over all for this event - and happy to see this hat again. Will we ever get Wills to part with his blue suits?

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  25. I don't care for the velvet panels at the hem or the upper arms of her coat, but elsewhere it works very well. Love her hat!

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  26. Oh i love the memorial service The coat of duchess cambridges looks so warm. I love the hat too. I love eugeine. Coat too. Their. Elegant. The duke May he rest in peace

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  27. Kate was every inch a queen today. She looked just beautiful. Loved the coat, hat and entire look. I enjoyed reading about the cathedral and it's history. Lovely, but sad post.

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  28. This photo of Natalia, Duchess of Westminster always comes to mind when I see her. It's at William's christening: http://us.hellomagazine.com/imagenes/royalty/2013102415284/wiliam-kate-prince-george-christening/0-77-678/prince-george-24--z.jpg

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  29. Julia from Leominster29 November 2016 at 12:53

    Kate looks very nice, very appropriate. It looks to have been a most moving occasion. So much responsibility is not left for the new young duke.

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  30. In addition to the royals listed, the Duke of Kent and his brother Prince Michael are also pictured, greeting the clergy.

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    1. Also Lady Rose Gilman and (the nose of) her mother, the Duchess of Gloucester. The Duke of Gloucester and Princess Alexandra were also said to have attended the memorial. Princess Eugenie was representing her father. Nearly a dozen members of the royal family were there.

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  31. I like the fact it was a memorial service to celebrate the late Duke's life, not just a sad occasion of mourning. It has been almost 4 months now since he passed away and the family, though still sad, are able to remember the Duke more peacefully, united in gratefulness for everything he meant to them. As a local woman said (in the Telegraph), the people do and will miss him, but I believe it was very good and important for W&K (as well as for all the others) to be there.

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  32. Julia, from what I have read, the Duke prepared his son for the responsibilities so that his son wouldn't be unprepared as he had been when he inherited the family wealth. In addition, there is an infrastructure already in place to give the young Duke support. His mother is also experienced in the nuances of the workings of the family fortune and will be an asset to him in that way also. There was a lot about all this in the media at the time of the Duke's passing. His son doesn't appear to be worried about anything.

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  33. I very much have the feeling that Natalia was and is very much the Matriarch of the family. I am sure his "new" responsibility is not a surprise or a burden to the young Duke. Preparation for that came with his upbringing if his parent's had anything to do with it and I am confident it did.

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  34. I would think that the late Duke, having been given the heavy responsibilities that he took on when he was in his twenties, prepared his heir and probably all of his children for the responsibilities they would have with the amount of money and property they would receive in due course. Just think, QEII was the same age as this new Duke when she became the Queen. He was probably just as prepared for his role in life as she was in hers, though it would be interesting to read more about him.

    Condolences to the family on this sad occasion.

    On the style note, I loved Kate's coat. I don't really understand the logic of some people saying something is "too old" or "too young" for any adult at all. Isn't it a matter simply of taste? We really need to get away from this prejudicial attitude toward age, whether toward the old or the young. It's silly. Just say you like it or you don't. Assigning an age to a particular style is nonsense.

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    1. Julia from Leominster30 November 2016 at 13:18

      I completely agree about clothes - some of the most elegant periods in fashion - now much admired were the thirties and fifties when women dressed to look polished without such an emphasis on youthfulness. The late sixties was when the real youth craze came in - and is not too memorable for timeless looks.

      If you look at the women considered the most iconic in style such as Jackie Kennedy and Audrey Hepburn, they wore very sophisticated clothes but also quite formal looks.

      If you not my comments above, the pressures of running a huge estate hit both sides of the Westminster family - the duchess's side was particularly tragic and her former family house and her family were very fascinating with a Russian connection - worth googling. I'm sure she will be a huge help to her son.

      There is a new book out on young peers and their estates. Just bought it yesterday so can't really review it as yet but it looks very interesting with lovely photos.

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    2. Marci, I agree with your suggestion to steer clear of assigning age to a particular style. It is definitely a matter of taste. Certainly, you can assign an era of fashion to a particular style, but focusing on how old/young it makes someone look or whatever can really be a damaging attitude to adopt. Thanks for point it out as a reminder for us.

      As a side note, I was unsure about the coat when she first wore it, but I really quite like it now.

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      I am wondering what is the title of the new book on young peers and their estates? It sounds interesting. I always appreciate the interesting background and related information in your posts.

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    4. Thank you, Julia from L for your note. I hadn't seen it yet when I wrote this response. Do give us a review of the book--I for one would like to know more.

      Thank you, eclaires, for your ideas. I hadn't thought about such a judgement being damaging, but of course it could be--to someone vulnerable. And do we ever know who might be so? No.

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    5. Julia from Leominster2 December 2016 at 18:31

      The book is Great Houses, Modern Aristocrats by Reginato. The publisher is Rizzoli so needless to say lots of lovely photos and a high price tag. I did decide to buy it new this time but Amazon may have deals.

      It includes the usual suspects like Blenheim, Houghton and Broughton, but also my favourite Haddon, some "famous name" houses like Lord Glenconner in Mustique and the Dowager Duchess of Devonshire's Vicarage, and the Mountbatten sisters and others like Goodwood, St. Giles and the POW's Dumfries.

      The text seems very good too although I just got it and haven't had a chance to read it. Will let you know as I do but time is ridiculously tight right now.

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    6. Julia, Thank you for the recommendation. Sounds like a great book. I will look at putting it on my Christmas Wish. I love photo text books.
      Ali

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  35. He wasn't prepared hot his role Marci, and he really didn't want it. It is a sad story in ways.

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  36. Good heavens, what on earth is Princess Eugenie wearing? Kate, as usual, looks amazing.

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  37. Nice post Charlotte and thanks for sharing all of the details. Regarding Kate's attire, I'm glad we've been able to finally see this bespoke coat. It certainly look lovely with the hat. I wonder if she was always planning to wear the two together for this event and decided to pair the hat with the DVF coat for Remembrance Sunday.

    I like the fit and flare style of the coat and the bell shaped sleeves don't bother me - overall this look reminds me of Diana.

    "If" is a classic in my family - as it was my grandfather's favorite poem as well. My grandfather made all of his 5 sons recite it from memory and I did the same as a surprise to my grandfather when I was a child. Here in the U.S. you'll see the poem on graduation cards. It's perfect for a variety of events and is very near and dear to me.

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  38. Princess Eugenie cannot complain for being negatively compared to the Duchess of Cambridge: she seems to do her best to look packed in a shapeless "thing", and today she didn't miss that habit. Poor girl, she is beautiful and looks clever, why does she do such mistakes?

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    1. lack of a good stylist, Paola. :)

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    2. Well, Kate certainly does not have a good stylist either. Something they have in common.

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    3. For once I agree with you Anett, lol. They both need GOOD stylists. They are both beautiful women. They need the best stylists.

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      See it happens once in a blue moon.Lol

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  39. Are there any photographs of Kate's coat without her hands in front clutching her velvet clutch? It's hard to get a sense of the coat... does the peplum waist go all the way around or is that simple on the sides? It's a beautiful coat dress and it's nice to see it's full length since before we'd only seen it when she was on the balcony.

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    1. I was wondering the same thing so I checked out a few pubs online and it appears the velvet goes around, there are "pocket-like flaps" similar to her cornflower blue McQ. And there is a piece in the center of the back with buttons.

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    2. Julia from Leominster2 December 2016 at 18:20

      There are some good photos of the whole coat on What Kate Wore, including some side views. The cuffs are a little odd although I love the coat and it looks elegant on Kate.

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  40. She looks elegant and I love the look. Sorry to hear of the Duke's passing may he rest in peace. Thanks Charlotte.

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  41. I think Kate looked beautiful. Probably busy giving William the emotional support he may have needed.
    She's always been there for him. Since 2001, anyway,
    and, they'd met a couple or more times prior to that over the years, reportedly. He said at their wedding banquet that she is his rock. It showed in the photos at the memorial. Speaking of matrimonial dynamics, I hope Harry finds "the one" soon. All that cuteness going to waste, sad sad sad, very sad. :) How many think Meghan might actually become his princess?

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    1. 21:48, Talk about a dynamic duo. I think Harry is very respectful of what the Queen wants him to do and I believe he will always honor his role dutifully. I don't know that Meghan has that perspective fully or that maturity. I don't know that she doesn't. That would be my question about Meghan. Would she try to buck the system. It is very military in many ways. People in the system respect rank and protocol. And is she discreet enough? Otherwise I think they would have a lot of fun together, and that they could accomplish a lot of good things.

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    2. I definitely see Harry with a spirited young woman, but at the end of the day discretion and privacy matter. As an actress, Meghan has to court the spotlight; for a potential princess, this is not the key to success. Time will tell. :)

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    3. RF,

      I read that a close friend of hers was saying, for the record, that Meghan was willing to make any changes necessary to make the relationship work. That would absolutely be necessary. Meghan giving up her acting career and her sharing her life on Facebook and Twitter would most likely be the first things to have to go. Probably her blog also. Although one just highlighting the activities and needs of their charities might be helpful and innovative and refreshing. Although they would have to be all about the charities and not about Meghan.

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    4. Elizabeth Hurley on The Today Show gave Meghan quite an endorsement as did one of the hosts, actually both, of the hosts of the show.

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  42. Forgot to comment on a replacement knight for the Order of the Garter. Will Harry be considered?

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    1. Rebecca - Sweden1 December 2016 at 17:20

      Probably not. Andrew and Edward were in their 40s or something I think. And some has speculated that the Queen might leave that one for Charles to give out so that he gets to give it to one of his own sons.

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    2. Or maybe Kate?

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    3. William is already a Knight. I thought the young new Duke of Westminster might replace his father. :+)

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    4. I think that that is a very real possibility. That would help him in a lot of ways. The young Duke could have even more access to the counsel of William and the Queen, etc.

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    5. Anon 23:06 that is a thought. Suspect you might be correct.

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    6. Julia from Leominster2 December 2016 at 18:18

      I doubt that. Being made a knight of the Garter comes after long years of service, not just because your father had it (except for royals.) It may happen for the young duke eventually but most likely not immediately.

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    7. Thanks Julia, I do not know anything about being made a knight of the Garter. Will look into and see what the usual qualifications of being made a knight usually are.

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    8. The Westminster family are next to being royal.It could be to honor the family's long history of service.If it happens it will have to be in the next few months while sympathy is with the family. There are too many other potential or wanna-be candidates.
      How old was Charles? William? Anne?

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    9. Julia from Leominster3 December 2016 at 14:53

      I can't agree and there are a lot of other aristocrats who wouldn't agree either who also think they are the next thing to being royal - although they are careful about saying that now. Some of them are also very close to the monarchy.

      The Garter, except for actual royals, is about giving to the nation. The late Duke of Westminster was seen as doing so, but that doesn't extend to his family as a whole, nor is the Garter meant to be about wealth. I believe his son in time may earn a place but it will be in time after he has a chance to prove himself.

      Charles, William and Anne are different and aren't counted in with non-royal knights. The most interesting question to me is whether Camilla will be made a lady knight of the garter. I doubt it will happen until Charles is king but we will see.

      In connection with that, it's worth considering what has been happening with the House of Lords. I don't know if the late Duke of Westminster sat there. Most hereditary peers no longer do. This should shock me but nothing shocks me anymore. All I can say is it speaks as to what is happening in the nation about hereditary rights, so I think to avoid that sort of criticism, a person will be created a knight of the Garter only after long personal service.

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  43. Although I wore mini skirts as a young adult, I find them inappropriate for funerals and memorial services. They do not look respectful. And in addition to being completely suitable, Kate's coat length is the most flattering to a lady's legs. I do think the skirt of her coat needed slightly more tailoring. It seems to bulge just a bit where the velvet meets the wool. Otherwise it is lovely, and perfect with the hat. Kate looks pale in black, but she also looks beautiful, and as if she dressed very carefully for the occasion.

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  44. I am really disappointed that she did not attend the EACH gala last night which was held at the National History Museum - would have killed two birds with one stone. I wonder whether there has been a personal falling out with one of the administrators ? That is the only explanation I can find for her non-attendance. One of her hardcore fan sites that I visit also had a post on this. I was glad to see that I was not the only one to see it as a missed opportunity.

    http://www.apetiteprincess.com/2016/12/this-needs-to-be-said/

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    1. I don't think there's any falling out at all. She attended a gala with EACH this summer and was just at the NHM for her last engagement. Ed Sheeran has been an ambassador for EACH for years and this was his thing, not Kate's. She doesn't have to attend every single event for all her charities. Also William had the Tusk Awards and Harry has his own events in the Caribbean. On a different year and time and situation, it could be a missed opportunity but certainly not this time.

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    2. 19:52, Read Rebecca from Sweden's comments regarding Kate's "non-attendance". That might alleviate your disappointment.

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    3. I read that post. Really interesting. Also the criticism won't go away by not publishing comments about it.

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    4. I like to reserve judgement until I know all the facts but this bothers me as much as the Irish Guards absence. In my mind, the only legitimate reason for Kate's not showing up to this would be that she is
      pregnant and much too ill to attend. She is the Duchess of Cambridge to show up to things like this. This is her job. Her presence can make an incredible difference to this appeal. I have to say I'm baffled and enormously disappointed.

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    5. She also missed the Sportsaid 40th anniversary dinner - she had last attended this in 2013. I think that Kate has decided to do 1-2 appearances for her charities each year and once she hits that number she does not bother doing anything else for them. Fair enough I think. She is definitely prioritizing her family and time for herself. I just hope that at some point she jumps right in and decides to elevate her engagement with her work. Right now she is quite hands-off and gives the impression of doing it for the sake of ticking off boxes. That should change once she is done having children and they are a bit older.

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    6. Sarah Maryland USA2 December 2016 at 17:24

      Erika I can't put it any better than you did.

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    7. No issues for me with her work level.:) Tina some great comments.

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    8. Erika, et al,

      In all fairness to Kate (we do want to be fair, right?), we have no idea what Kate does in private. Obviously she does more than childcare, although that is very important. My guess, based on simple logic, is that a substantial amount of her private time is filled with meetings and even private visits pertaining to her charities, etc. I personally believe that part of her private time is also being spent in instruction about various parts of the monarchy, including infrastructures, protocols, buildings and grounds, history, future goals, etc. for preparation as Queen and parent/teacher of a future monarch. Queen Elizabeth was given this kind of private training even as a princess who, at the time, was not destined for the throne. When Kate joins William at the helm, she will have been thoroughly equipped. So to say she isn't doing her job is really unfounded given that we are not privy to all the details.

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    9. Julia from Leominster2 December 2016 at 18:44

      I was not familiar with the Petite Princess site but will just say I thought her letter was excellent and hope it is noted by Kate's people. Kate's autumn has been very light at a time when the heavy workload of older royals has been noted.

      But then she has her colouring to attend to. This is less criticism than it is discouragement.

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    10. All royals attend 1-2 functions for their charity each year. Some charities do no see their patrons each year. Great that we all sit on our soap box and criticize without ever knowing the facts. Personally her limited engagements are likely due to Charles tour, Harry tour and Vietnam.

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    11. Anon 18:14. I agree that her family is important and that she needs to balance work commitments with family time. Also, I agree that much time is spent behind the scenes attending to business. However, she has been with Each since the beginning and they are struggling to raise what is necessary to build the new facility which is desperately needed. This was a big high profile event and her presence would have underlined the importance of the cause. It was one evening. Everyone else who attended had work commitments and family obligations but they made time in their schedules to say it mattered. This is where she can make a difference!

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    12. Sarah Maryland USA2 December 2016 at 19:37

      This is what I find unfair: William gets critized for doing not enough engagements but he also has another job. What is Kate's excuse? I don't like how the media give her a pass. I hate using the kid thing as an excuse for her because doesn't William deserve to spend time with them too? He works another job and still does more engagements than Kate
      I was too young to remember princess Diana. But from what I understand she knew how famous she was and used it to benefit many causes. Kate should do the same. Not sit at home and just send a note to be read on her behalf
      In my opinion I think William is doing a good job and the media need to back off on him now. If they really want to attack someone for not doing there fair sure they should look right at Kate

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    13. To anon 19:22,...and some royal patrons show up to some of their charities more than once or twice a year. This was a big event and they really need her support
      right now. As far as the factor of the
      other tours going on now. That may be.
      However, it was one night and her
      presence would not have detracted that
      much from Charles or Harry. The palace needs to rethink this policy because in some cases, such as this, it is important that exceptions be made.

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    14. Twitter was in an uproar when Kate was out an about on the 22nd and Harry was on tour. The complaint was that no media attention was given to Harry. The night of the Each gala was big in Barbados celebrating independence and big for William presenting his own award. Ed Sheeran did not attend Each gala in June. Was there an uproar over that?

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    15. Sarah,

      I wouldn't wish that anyone attack anyone. I am sure Diana would agree.

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    16. 18:14, you are SO right, we are not privy to all the details. what many do is assume. And you know what that spells.

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    17. Tina, you said it perfectly. Hate always looks for a place to land and it doesn't seem to need full information.

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    18. Unfounded is the perfect word because we are not privy to what she is doing when not in front of the cameras. The foundational information is incomplete since we do not know about that time.

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    19. Oh come on. The excuses for Kate's lack of commitment are mind boggling. If the royals who do two and three times the number of public engagements have as many private meetings to support what they do as some here say Kate does, they'd never get any sleep. Kate may do lots of things in her private time, but I'd bet my life savings that meetings are not how she spends most of it.

      Face facts. Kate does the bare minimum and sometimes not even that. She should have been at that dinner. She has *twelve* patronages if you count the royal foundation -- you know, the one she's been known to go shopping during the time it was having a meeting -- with William and Harry, and Women in Hedge Funds with William. So she has ten of her own, and yet she can't find time to go see them and participate in fund raising which, by the way, is a lot of her value to the organizations of which she is patron. The Women in Hedge funds requires a biannual appearance at a dinner. The foundation requires no public work, just those pesky meetings which interfere with shopping. So there's ten patronages -- she could visit each one of them twice a year and not even have two engagements a month!!

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    20. Well, Sarah, if you were older then you would know how much Charles resented it when Diana had an engagement on the same day and eclipsed him. I keep saying this...there is a reason for the "madness" (as some define it). It is unfortunate that history is not acknowledged or even considered and the default option is to dismiss Kate as being disinterested or lazy.

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    21. Sarah Maryland USA3 December 2016 at 03:46

      Well she must be royalfan because it's been five years and she still does so few engagements
      And I guarantee you William is not his father and doesn't seem to be at all upset when Kate gets more attention
      I think that is ridiculous because William is not Charles. He seems to be a much more secure person

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    22. Bluhare well said!! Mind boggling and totally outrageous after reading the fact that she has only 12 patronages.

      One thing we know for sure, lately she does some online shopping, or someone does it for her if she is that busy.

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  45. I'm totally reading into Kate's lack of engagements as a sign they are trying for a 3rd. It would make sense to try for a baby as soon as the Canada tour was over, the lack of engagements gives her space if she is very sick again, and by Christmas she will be in big coats and maybe feeling better so they wouldn't have to announce it too early. Just my crazy speculations though :)

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  46. "lack of engagements"?

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      Yeah she hasn't done an engagement in almost two weeks and has only done a handful in the past two months

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    2. How long has Harry been on his Caribbean tour, Sarah. I think Charlotte must be amazed to learn she had no need to make all those engagement posts, as they didn't actually happen. Ha! Harry is getting great coverage. Imagine what it would be if Kate was going about making entrances at dinners and banquets in new gowns. William has had daily events,sometimes multiple in a day. KP needs William in the public eye, as his time as Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwll approaches.When he appears with Kate, of the two, he is rarely the focus of
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    3. Hi, I made the baby post! Just want to clarify by "lack of engagements" I meant "lack of upcoming/scheduled engagements", particularly in the month of December. Last I heard there aren't any announced.

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    4. The royals tend to take a lot of time off at the holidays.

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    5. I think this whole arguement of not to eclipse other royals does not make sense to me. She did this all year round? Could you all take a look at her numbers this year, minus tours?

      I suppose Moxie could give us a good statistics!!! LOL

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  47. I think Rebecca's comment answering these comments has gone missing. I did see it here. She said that both William and Harry were doing engagements during these times. Others remarked that not only did W&C try to keep one of them home evenings with the children, there is also an apparent BP/KP trend to not schedule Catherine's engagements to coincide with the others since attention usually is riveted on her. I don't know where those comments went. William is the royal who is primarily ressponsible for royal duties, as is Anne. She is also the daughter of the Queen-her husband the Queen's son-in-law. How many engagements does her spouse do? This has the taint of sexism; if Kate must both raise the children and perform outside duties, while no one seems to care how many engagements Tim does.
    Also, my comment-
    I thought the consensus of commenters was we would not respond to comments that were obvious attempts to stir controversy. Irish Guards? Have we not discussed that into the ground? No one has changed an opinion. It is a known prompter of angry debate that serves no purpose other than cause heated argument. There are several sites dedicated to this purpose, except everyone tends to chime in with the same spiel and encourage each other to spout mean-girl remarks.
    Someone else commented-why not wait until more information becomes available? So many times the Cambridges have been vilified when later facts prove the accusations incorrect.

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    1. If one looks at the big picture November has been a watershed month for the blood line Royals Charles, William,and Harry all of whom have increased workload and focus. Prince Harry's tour is his first with a diplomatic role and we certainly did not need the media taking the easy option focusing on Catherine's clothes instead of the harder HIV Aids issue. That dual test with Rihanna was a golden opportunity to stem Aids transmission with 68 million followers on her instagram account. In my opinion the Duchess attending the EACH function and clashing with the Aids message would have been more than inappropriate.

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    2. Obviously your comment is directed towards me. I have never posted comments in order to stir controversy. I brought up the Irish Guards because that is the only other time I was disappointed in her choice not to attend an engagement. This is how I feel .
      This is my opinion. When people have concerns it does not mean they are being mean spirited or joining in some vilification scheme.

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    3. Alimai, its not about her clothes! Its about children getting the palliative care they need and their families getting support! There is room for both causes.

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    4. Erika-I only mentioned your reference as an example of futile topics.
      I do regret that you felt my whole comment was directed at you. It was not.

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    5. I don't think that there is any systematic policy in the royal family that people have to be out of each other's way when scheduling engagements. There have been numerous instances when multiple people have been doing high profile engagements. In fact if there was some sort of policy like that we would hardly be seeing royals out and about.
      Look, IMO it is totally fine that Kate is prioritizing her family and herself now. I think that she will eventually start doing more. I would of course love to see her out and about more right now, but I understand if she isn't and would rather spend time with her kids or coloring or what have you.

      At the same time I tend to agree with Julia that the more the royals are seen the better it is for the monarchy, which is actually running the risk of being swept aside as soon as the Queen passes. I have friends in England, who 5 years ago during the royal wedding were tepid about the monarchy - could not care either way, but today are quite vocal in wishing for its demise. There has certainly been a transformation in how much leeway people are willing to give other high profile people, and that includes the royals.
      We can sit here and make up all kinds of convoluted reasons for why Kate should not be working today - proximity to crown, other royals etc. etc. But the bottom line is that unless she is seen she will be forgotten. I think that the sooner her fans realize that, the better it is. I am a fan but I am also realistic. I am observing what is going on around me.
      I get the sense that many people who follow Kate would rather have blinders on.. and blindly cheer her no matter what happens. That is no way to support anyone.

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    6. Erika, no offense but,

      "vilification" is not just a personal perspective as the texts of many of Kate's critics over the years are often inproportionateky critical to the topic. And since those kind of intense reactions have been consistent over the years that term is not inappropriate, neither is the term "mean-spirited".
      It is what it is.

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    7. 20:26, I doubt they will be "swept away" when the Queen passes. They are doing a good job now. They wiil do a good job in the future, carrying on the work of the Queen, and that type of work is exactly what they are doing now only at the level they are supposed to be doing it while the Queen is still Queen. I doubt that anyone will forget Kate. She is out and about doing her job just fine.

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    8. Im sorry for jumping at conclusions, anon :-) Sometimes on this site, I feel as if criticism of Kate just automatically gets lumped into being mean and nasty and that isn't the case.

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    9. Charlotte, where did those comments go? There were about eight of them I think.

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    10. Hello!

      I had to delete one and unfortunately the replies in the 'thread' were deleted. Apologies for any inconvenience.

      I hope you all have a great weekend :)

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    11. Thanks, Charlotte. I thought there used to be more comments (and there were). whew.

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    12. Erika, I agree with your comment about criticism.

      To follow up on that, there's a cabal here who takes it upon themselves (herself?) to decide which posts are acceptable and which are not. Comments about Kate are deemed villification and mean spirited while calling other posters donkeys, and bringing up the well known take on "assume" apparently is neither. It's unfortunate, as it ruins the conversations that could actually happen here. There are plenty of times I'd like to engage with someone and I do not because she will show up and kill it.

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    13. This is the aim of that certain person. Kill and argue with semantics every time.

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  48. Wasn't directed at you Erika.

    And, often others comments are mean-spirited. I am not the first or only one to comment on some peoples' penchant to deride Kate at even the slightest opportunity. I happen to like you Erika, your comments and your children's design savvy quite a lot. :)

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  49. I agree Alimai.

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  50. http://www.apetiteprincess.com/2016/12/this-needs-to-be-said/

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  51. maybe some of us should take up coloring for a half an hour or so a day. maybe we would be more relaxed and not so uber, uber critical of other people's (strangers') lives.

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    1. I agree. Give it a go and let us know what happens.

      Signed,
      A Stranger

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  52. Micheal and carole join prince william in task event last night

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    1. I think that Kate is such an admirable lady. She most certainly "wears her title well-- in appearance, attitudes and deeds". Thank heaven for such a lovely role model. The monarchy is very blessed indeed to have Kate.

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    2. Apparently the Queen thinks so also. It is so sweet that she enjoys Kate's family in addition to being very fond of Kate.

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    3. I think it is lovely that they are kept part of their lives. I suspect William feels very lucky to have a very close second family.

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  53. Anon. @ 20:45,
    I think you (and Kate) are onto something good there. I was just reading in "Be Brain Fit" an article about coloring. In that, Sarah Deaver, president of the American Association of Therapuetic Art, said it is relaxing and beneficial. It surprised me that the president of the AATA was giving such a resounding good report about coloring. We used to do that to colorfully pass the time :) in doctor and dentist offices or any time we knew we would be waiting some where. The time went quicker and the waiting easier with a lot less squabbling. Now it is apparently becoming very popular in general. (We were trendsetters.) Yay, a positive and good fad for a change.

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  54. So happy to know Michael and Carole were out and about. They both look happy and healthy. William including his in-laws again speaks volumes about their close family dynamics. One article said that their being there last night is another indication of how welcome Kate's family is in the inner circles of the Royal family.

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  55. As soon as I saw that the comments had gone from 111 to 178, I knew what I would find here. And Charlotte says she had to delete a thread, so there were even more. Kate cannot be out of the public eye for even a few days, before the clamor begins. She is not a princess alone in a palace needing to find work to do, and eventually abandon for greater drama. I find the continuous criticism wearing and unfair. Longer memories would be beneficial, but so would more accurate recall. And Kate might be given credit for a year of very interesting and worthy appearances, as well as for work that should not be off handedly called "the kid thing." That hurts.

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    1. AMEN AND AMEN 06:30. THANK YOU.

      "the kid thing" is slurious. And the criticisms of Kate are very harsh and grossly unfair to the point of being absurd, and repeatedly so. Long Live The Queen and Long Live Our Future Queen, and what a great Queen she will be.

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  56. Eve from Germany3 December 2016 at 09:49

    I kind of waited for this discussion to start and I must admit, although I am NOT a fan of the "she doesn´t work enough" discussion at all, I was kind of wondering, too, what might be going on. November and December are indeed usually very busy months for the Royals, partly because this is a time when most charities hold dinners, etc to "celebrate the year" (we all have that at our workplaces, too) and the Royal patrons use this as an opportunity to celebrate with them and draw attention (AND funds) towards the charities.
    On the other hand, the Christmas/New Year period usually is a very quiet one when they take time off, so the busy schedule beforehand kind of "keeps all the critics quiet".

    So, I was quite surprised, too, that Kate had/has (as of yet) very few engagements this November/December. Maybe this is due to the Canadian Tour, maybe it´s because of something we don´t know (yet), maybe there´s no special reason at all.
    Still, it should be "allowed" to at least wonder. Kate´s job is what it is. She is a mother AND has a job as patron of several charities/wife of the future king. Maybe some of you have made different experiences, maybe it´s because I used to work in the sales field, but I am totally used to it and find NO reason for complaint, when asked what I have done/will do for my money this month should my boss see "no/very few engagements" on my calendar, if this is not only part of my job description, but ALSO essential for my success and the success of the company I am working for. I would not feel offended nor would I remain silent. Instead, I would make sure my boss is kept informed and knows the reason(s) why. I don´t want to give him any reasons to "chuck me out for not doing my job", right? Plus, not having to deal with unnecessary criticism/pressure gives me more time to concentrate on what I want/need to do, right?

    The Royal Family as an institution is very much dependent on "public approval". I would make sure that the public "knows what´s going on ". Gives me more freedom and prevents unnecessary discussions about my "usefulness/whether I´m worth the money".
    This is basic. No member of a today´s monarchy can expect to be "above all". What I cannot understand, is, how easily all controversy/discussions could be avoided by simply keeping everyone informed. Sure, some would still find something to criticize, but most would be quite happy to let her have her family time or "work behind the scenes" time or whatever. It´s the non-communication that creates the fuzz/the rumours, etc. and it´s totally unnecessary. At the end of the day, it´s their problem, though, and I guess Kate and William can live with the criticism.

    As for a possible "upstaging" problem - Charles certainly wasn´t overly happy about his wife constantly getting more attention than him, especially since it wasn´t for her "good deeds" (at least in the beginning), but for her looks/beauty/clothes and THIS drew the attention AWAY from the causes, including his own. The RESENTMENT started later on when SHE started to USE the "upstaging problem" to get back at him and harm him/his reputation as a revenge. I sincerely do not think we are at that stage with the Cambridges!
    Whoever wants to see Kate, will not read about Harry´s or William´s engagements just because Kate had none. That´s just not how it works. So if anyone thinks they can draw more attention to other people´s work by keeping Kate away from the public, does not know much about publicity, marketing (I used to work as a marketing teacher, too, so I should know) and/or the public.

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    1. I think she's earned her portion of the 59p per Brit per year. The Queen seems to be fully pleased with Kate.

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  57. Carole looked elegant but not overdressed at the event. Casual elegance. Michael looked dapper as he always does.

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  58. Julia from Leominster3 December 2016 at 15:35

    First of all, I will say that I'm glad to play the villain. I care about the monarchy as an institution and members of it based solely on their contribution to it, and if that upsets people, I'm prepared to accept that. If I can deal with republicans talking equality, I can deal with this. I'm sure Bluhare is too, as I know she feels the same. But please, don't attack others!
    Anonymous 20:26, I agree very much with your take on what's happening. That's why I trouble to comment. Ignoring problems don't make them disappear.

    I will now accept heat and say what I feel about EACH. To me, the Irish Guards was different than EACH, because that became an issue that stepped outside of readers of blogs like this and followers of Kate. I would say that so far, it has been the lowest point of Kate's time as a princess, when people who don't follow the monarchy closely were upset and angry with her. She lost support due to that.
    EACH is different. Very few people outside of hot house blogs like this know Kate didn't attend. I doubt the average person could name any of Kate's patronages. So far she has very little identity outside of her looks and clothes and occasional tours. People might know vaguely about the mental health scheme but that's about it.
    So I'm now speaking about my feelings on EACH. There is no rule that I know of that royals don't do engagements when others are on tours. It happens all the time. But even if there was, we're talking about earning money for a new building for a children's hospice. Are we to believe that Harry, as goodhearted as he appears, would want Kate to skip a dinner where her presence might double the funds raised because he was on a successful tour in the West Indies. I don't believe that and if I did believe it, I would be very upset with Harry.
    Do we really think it's admirable of Kate, who has only twelve patronages, to say, "all right, I've gone to one party for you already. Your number's up. I've done my bit. You don't get anymore even though you're trying to raise money for this building and my presence could help that.
    Why is this nice? If Kate had hundreds of patronages like other royals, yes there might be a reason why her time was too tight but she doesn't.
    I have always supported Kate having time with the children, although watching George, I think getting away from Mum to school will be the making of him. But if Kate can leave her children to go out to dinner with William, she could go to EACH. I think it simply means, her work is mostly on the surface.
    This is a personal view. As I've said, Kate's work-shy reputation is already out there and one engagement more or less isn't going to affect that. Am I discouraged with Kate? Yes, honestly, I am. Am I worried about the future? Yes, because sooner or later, this will catch up with William and Kate. Do I hope it happens! Absolutely not, because that would be terrible for the monarchy. I'm always happy when I see them out working. But I'm not big on excuses and rationalisations.

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